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PLEASE NOTE: This game is in Early Access. Of the eight planned routes (and extras scenes) only Bastien's route, Sofia's route, Guillaume's route, and the TROS POV and the Backer Reward scenes have so far been completed and are included in this download.

More content will be available in the future as they are finished. Please see the planned release schedule below for more details.

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This game is a sequel to the 'The Rose of Segunda' - please visit the page here (https://blackcrosstaylor.itch.io/tros) for more details.

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Two years after the events of 'Rose', Segunda is on the brink of civil war. 

The disgraced House Stavizzi and the Royal House of Vilquine have been gathered at the city of Garllucio for peace talks in a last ditch attempt to avoid the looming bloodshed. 

Pick up the story as Iolanthe di Parisi and navigate this new world of political intrigue and double-dealing.

The game will feature:

+ Approx. 800,000 words (eight times the length of 'The Rose of Segunda) over eight character routes

+ Nine new 'skills' for Iolanthe, as well as retaining the nine from the previous game

+ Begin the game with your current lover or remain single to pursue one of the two new love interests: Sir Mathys Aurele or Ambassador Vesela Brovik

+ Nine returning characters from 'Rose' with updated outfits

+ New character sprites (by the original artist) including the Duchess di Parisi, King Auguste of Segunda, Count Pieto Triste, Sir Mathys Aurele, Ambassador Vesela Brovik, Lord Marc De Souza and Cosima Venitti. 

+ Fifteen love interest point-of-view scenes from 'The Rose of Segunda'

+ Twenty-three love interest point-of-view scenes from 'The Thorns of War'

+ Five scenes set between the games chosen by kickstarter backers

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 ----Current release schedule----

Bastien’s route – Released 

Sofia’s route – Released 

Backer extra rewards scenes – Released

Guillaume’s route – Released

The Rose of Segunda love interest POV scenes – Released (current game word count 580,000 words)

Leopold's route - TBC

Frederique's route - TBC

(The remaining content [Charlotte, Single, Loveless, TTOW POV scenes] are TBC)

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If you find any bugs or typos, or have any problems, please let me know via email (support@blackcross-taylor.com)


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I purposefully haven't replayed The Rose of Segunda since January of last year just because I wanted to wait to replay it once The Thorns of War came out, but seeing TRoS has that update with the LI POVs, I feel reaaally tempted to!
I'm not 100% sure yet but given that I have basically no impulse control once I get excited about something, I probably will end up replaying them all soon haha
I'm really looking forward to getting TToW once the full game releases! And remember to please take breaks now and then if you feel like you need it :)

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Ah, I understand your conflict - I am the same when it comes to impulse control as well, so I don't have much advice to offer ^_^

Whatever you decided to do, I hope you enjoy TTOW once it is fully released.

Many thanks for playing

Maybe it's weird to write a follow-up message so long after the original, but I wanted to ask something and since my comment was the latest one, I thought it'd be weird if I just made a new one

So anyway, when I played the original, when playing Charlotte's route I immediately picked up on som ~vibes~. Basically, I'm autistic, and I really, really felt able to relate to Charlotte on certain things, such as her having interests that could be percieved as childish, having trouble understanding that everyone doesn't always mean what they say, being kinda gullible and also learning in a different way. And in the way that she wants to be part of and contribute to conversations in some way, but her contributions can often be seen by others as only tangentially related to the topic, and she might not be able to read a room well to recognize what is and isn't deemed appropriate to say or ask. That moment where she comments on the blancmange and Francesca and Albertine look at her weirdly before continuing as though she never said anything is something I'm very familiar with happening when I try to contribute to conversations.

So, my question was, did you write Charlotte with the intention of making her neurodivergent? :)

 Thanks for your message, I’m really glad to hear you found aspects of Charlotte character you could relate to.

To answer your question, I did not set out to do so consciously, but when writing Charlotte I had an idea of what characteristics I wanted to give her and how I wanted her to be different from her peers in the way she perceives and interacts with the world – specifically in the ways you mention.

I suppose I always look at the characters through a lens of how they would be perceived in that time-period in that world.

Characters in Segunda just view Charlotte as ‘different’ (some even think her stupid, though they are wrong), but I can certainly see a more modern mindset seeing her characteristics as indicative of neurodivergence. ^_^

oh my god i absolutely love tros and my darling charlotte <3 was wondering if this will also have her route?

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It certainly will! I believe her route will be worked on after Frederique's (which will be worked on after the route I am writing now - Leopold's) so though I cannot say it will be soon, it is definitely coming.

I'm glad to hear you liked TROS and I hope you can hold out for more Charlotte ^_^

Many thanks for playing

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Hello! I'm a big fan of tros so when I first saw there was a sequel I was on cloud nine! I always buy games after they're finished though so I wanted to hold on until then but when I played the demo I just couldn't even though my favourite characters are leo, charlotte and fredrique who aren't released yet. So I went ahead and bought the Early Access, Lol! I just have one question though since I've never done this, I'm not sure how this work. will I have to buy it again to play the other routes when it's finished?

ps. thank you for being born and making such a gem!

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Ah, thank you for your kind feedback - I'm very glad to hear you enjoyed TROS and I hope you find this game as entertaining.

And to answer your question, you will only need to buy the game once. Once you have purchased it, all future updates (be they bug fixes or new routes) will be available to you. All you will need to do is re-download the updated copy of the game when it has been released.

Many thanks for your interest and I hope you enjoy the routes released so far (Leopold is next!)

PS I will pass your thanks on to Mum ^_~

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Is there a list of available endings anywhere? 

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Not outside of the Endings screen within the game that can be accessed from the main menu, but if you would like a list of the possible endings for any of the routes, I can provide that. But to avoid spoilers here, please message me at support@blackcross-taylor.com and I will reply there. ^_^

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Hi how's everything going :)

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It's going well, thank you. Leo's route is about halfway done and at 65,000 words.

I hope things are going well with you, too.

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Hi there, are there any updates regarding Leo's route? :))

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Hi, thanks for checking in. Leo's route is at day 8/9 of 16, so about the halfway mark (game-wise, not word count-wise. I think the second half of the game will be longer) and the word count is approx. 65,000. 

I am waiting on some artwork before I do my next official update, but it shouldn't be long.

Many thanks for your interest

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Great, thanks so much for the update!

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I'm still on Guillaume's route, and I'm just stressed.  I'm just over here thinking "am I....Am I playing this right?" Everything feels like it's going to hell! I love it! XD

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Ah, sorry Guillaume's route it getting you stressed - I'm glad you're still finding a way to enjoy it. ^_^

Many thanks for playing

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Reading the comment on Guillaume route, I was doubtful. But I Find it very interesting and even Guillaume “behavior” can be understand on the light of the story.

I have read several VNs with lot of choices and consequences and quite often I was disapointed on how blind the choices are. In Thorns of war you do a great job to provide choices with consequences but by being “attentive”, you can do the “right” choice ( maybe not the perfect but still ). That’s quite rewarding and immersive. ( I have currently reach I think the best end with Guillaume on my first play ( the last one in ending list ) and stil have to discover the “alternative” that I suspect :-) ).

For those who discover the game, playing Rose of Segunda, then the extra with the Love Interest selected and then Thorn of wars do a great job of providing a “mariage and politic” story with a great MC with a strong character.

I highly recommend it. ( Even in early access, routes already done are complete ).

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 Thank you for your kind feedback – I’m glad to hear you are enjoying the game, and that the choices aren’t too opaque. I hope you enjoy the coming routes as well. ^_^

Many thanks for playing.

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Hello,

I have reached two endings for Guillaume now but it’s hard to figure what to change to get the others ( and don’t want to provide more detail to avoid any spoiler to reader :-/ ).

Is there any guide/tips available somehow ?

Sure, and thank you for being mindful of spoilers. ^_^ 

If you send me an email at support@blackcross-taylor.com we can get you what you need.

Many thanks for playing

are you sending walkthroughs?

I can do. Do you want to email me what you would like? ^_^

support@blackcross-taylor.com

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You know what they say about young husbands - they want the flowers of marriage and none of the fruit. Pure gold A+ !!!

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lol, yes, I remember that scene ^_^

Many thanks for playing

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Are there still plans for Sir Mathys Aurele or Ambassador Vesela Brovik LIs? Also, when you do get to Charlotte (I find it disturbing that people would rather see her with her brother over Charlotte), can you have more involved in the plot to overthrow the king than Sophia was?  That part was very disappointing when it came to Sophia's storyline.

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Yes, Mathys and Vesela will be the LIs in the Single route. I suspect with how the voting has been so far, the Single route will be worked on after Charlotte's is completed.

I am not sure what the plot with Charlotte will involve as yet, since I have only sketched it out so far - I will bear your feedback in mind when I work on the route.

Many thanks for your interest.

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hi hi, how are things going :)

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They're going well, thank you. Leo's route is about 40,000 words now and the TROS POV scenes will be available from next Sunday (8th).

Many thanks for your interest

gaaasp POV for the first game? I can't wait omg

quick question will it be free or have a price? just want to know so I can save for it :)

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Oh, it's free if you already have Thorns - I will update the game file on Sunday and it will be found under the Extras menu. 

It's just a small collection of scenes (totals about 20,000 words) from the POV of the TROS love interests that was promised as part of the Kickstarter.

As I recall, each character has a minimum of two, with some backers kindly pledging so they could request certain extra scenes (that everyone then gets to enjoy). Those characters with extra TROS scenes are Sofia, Frederique, and Guillaume. 

The TTOW ones will be released once the rest of the game routes are complete.  ^_^

Oh my oh my I'm definitely looking forward to this Sunday!

I'm glad to hear it ^_^

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I just wonder... will this game also available on Steam once it finish like TROS?

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Yes, that's right ^_^

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I loved onii-chan's route in the Rose of Segunda and I'm looking forward to its continuation in the Thorns of War!! It's so rare to find a romance like this in otome so a million thanks to the creators X3 Do you guys know when his route will be released?

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It would be after Leo's route is out, I'd say.

Thanks! :)

Littlegal is right. Leo is next and then Frederique, though I don't have any time frames for that as yet. 

Many thanks for your interest

Thanks for the reply! And kudos for all the options that allow us to shape MC's personality X3 I like to relate when I read a story. This VN is unique in so many ways<3

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I've finally gotten around to playing Bastien and Sofia's routes, and holy moly, why did I wait this long to play this masterpice? I love it. Love how we can actively participate in the politics, and love how there's conflict around the romances too, and the option to change :D

The stakes are so much higher than in TRoS with the politicking. It was already great in Bastien's route, but Sofia's route seemed like a step up from even there, you guys keep outdoing yourselves. 

I really appreciate how the morals are explicitly questioned in universe, yet we are allowed to do questionable things, in both politics and romance! That poly, my heart, that's everything I needed ;; From the first option leaning there, I was getting overexcited for it! Thank you so much for inlcuding that!

Game mechanics wise, I am amazed by the amount of branches there are, I have yet to explore all of them. Not even talking about the custom personality of the MC and how that must affect dialogue and choices. Tipping my imaginary hat for you!

I really can't believe Duchess di Parisi and her double dealings and intricate web of lies. I wanted to hate her, but I do get where she is coming from. She is so well-written. My favorite character is still Frederique though, he is just so loveable! Also his disguises :D He had me laughing more than once.

I'm excited for the routes to come! Thank you for your hard work in bringing us this game, because it is amazing!

Hello and thank you for your kind feedback. I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the first two routes and I hope that continues with Guillaume's and the others to come. ^_^

Many thanks for playing

I loved the Rose of Segunda and can’t wait for the squeal, but I kind of hope that we could have a child at the end. 

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Hello and thank you for your feedback - I am glad to hear you enjoyed the first game.

As for having a child, it is possible in many of the routes, but it requires you to select certain options during the game (they are obvious). My basic idea was, I wanted the option to be there, but didn't want to force any players into having children if they did not think their character would do so. ^_^

Many thanks for your interest

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Dear Blackcross & Taylor team, 

Thank you so much for bringing us Rose of Segunda and now this! I made an account literally just to ask this question hahaha - is Guillaume still on track for this November? I'm planning on getting this as soon as his route is out (my heart <333). 

Much thanks ~

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I could be wrong, but based on the Oct 1st update post on their kickstarter, the plan was to release Guillaume's route to beta backers during October (which I think the locked Nov 1st post could be), and release to all backers (and presumably to us purchasers as well?) during December.

Ohh I see, thank you so much catdev!

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Hello lex12 and catdevpete, just to let you know a new devlog has been published which may give some insight here. 

Many thanks for your interest ^_^

Dear Blackcross & Taylor team,

Thank you so much for this addictive otome !

1/Bastien was my least favourite character in "Rose of Secunda" but seeing him becoming a partner worthy of MC (when she relentlessly expresses her faithfull love and patience)... I was so proud of him !

Pietro is an awsome addition to this sequel !

2/I usually don't play yuri games, but I was curious about Sophia's sequel. Reading this story, I had a twinge for all the lovers who had/have to hide themself because not "straight". Thank you for giving a slight idea of what these people has/had to do to have a bit of hapiness.

3/ I love Frederic as a character but... Are Frederic and the MC biological siblings ?

Stay safe ! (Salutations distinguées de France)

Hello and thank you for your interest, I'm glad to hear you enjoyed Bastien's route and that you found Sofia's an interesting read. ^_^

Yes, Fred is the MC's biological sibling. 

Many thanks for playing (et bien cordialement ^_^)

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Is Guillaume still on track for this month?

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No, I am afraid not. The route ended up being more complex than I originally anticipated. I've updated the page information, but I'll be doing a devlog sometime this week with more information.

Many thanks for your interest ^_^

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Hi! I loved the original Rose of Segunda. I'm wondering, because my favorite route is perhaps not the most conventional one, if a Frederique route will be available in the sequel? (please don't judge me lmao i just loved the dynamics between the characters and he was my preferred love interest) Thank you in advance for your response!

Hello and thank you for your interest. I can confirm that all available romances from Rose are continued in Thorns and that includes Frederique (no judgement ^_^)

Many thanks for playing

Hello

I have just finished the current content ( Bastien / Sofia ) and I think this is a really good visual novel. Interesting story and the way the characters are described is well done. I was sometimes lost around all the countess but that just meant there were a lot of them :-). Choices are also interesting to do and really contribute to the ambiance. I do recommend the game ( as a visual novel ).

And congratulations by providing complete routes ( without game issue or feeling something is missing ) while the full game is still in development. I will be pleased to start a new game on each route release :-).

Thank you for your kind feedback - I'm very glad to hear you have enjoyed the game so far.

Many thanks for playing

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I think I am looking forward to Charlotte's route more than I've ever looked forward to any game, EVER. Died a little inside when I saw her while with Sofia :'(. One day...keep up the good work, guys!

I'm glad to hear you are looking forward to it - thank you for the kind encouragement. ^_^

Many thanks for playing

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Guillaume's upcoming release include the loveless marraige route? (is that still a thing? I haven't played the demo for so long) I was very intrigued since I know that's bound to be filled with angst especially with the tension between the di parisi siblings. Will there also be a thing between them in this?

My sister got me the first game as a birthday gift and I was especially in love with Leopold, Frederique and Charlotte! 

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Hello and thank you for your interest. ^_^

No, the loveless route is not included as part of Guillaume's route. I think it will be different enough to require a whole route of its own, so  it will be worked on at a later date. Since I have yet to start properly planning the loveless route, I don't know currently what the relationships will be, but Frederique will definitely feature. 

I'm glad to hear you liked the first game - Leopold's route will be worked on after Guillaume's, so not long to wait now.

Many thanks for playing

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I was waiting until I got paid/had some spare money to get this but I heard about the Itch Creator's day so I had to buy it today! Super excited to play Bastien + Sofia's routes! <3

Ah, that's so sweet of you! I really hope you enjoy the game so far. ^_^

Many thanks for playing

Hello! I understand this is a sequel to "The Rose of Segunda," but do you need to play that to understand the events within this one? :)

Hello and thank you for your interest. 

Hmm, I don't think you need to play the first game to understand the events in Thorns of War, but as a test you could try downloading the Thorns of War demo. If everything mentioned in the demo feels like it is enough to bring you up to speed and you are comfortable in who your MC is by the end of it, then I don't think the rest of the route will prove a problem.

Many thanks for playing

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I just finished Sofia's route, and to be honest it's one of the best visuals novels I've ever played. I really loved the first game too, but this improved on pretty much every aspect of it.

I absolutely love the MC in these games. She's genuinely intelligent, witty, and a bit devious. I love of much freedom is given to the character too. I felt like I was able to really express how I thought she would react to various situations.

The way the relationship between Sofia and the MC is written is also excellently handled. You can't help but fall in love with this pairing. It's so rare to see a game where you get to play after the relationship has started. Even rarer to see a game where a continued relationship between characters feels like the characters have actually grown together. The witty banter between them is super adorable. When they argue it doesn't feel like plot contrivance or drama as it often does in VNs. It makes sense why each character would have the perspectives they do, and it's great watching them try to work through that. It's believable regardless of how things turn out for them. 

Also worth noting how well the same-sex angle of the relationship is handled here. As a lover of yuri games, it's refreshing to see a game tackle some of the deeper emotional and social aspects of the relationship, and the struggles the characters face.

And of course the rest of the cast is amazing too. Frederique is one of my all time favorites. Same goes for the Duchess. She's a genuinely intimidating foil to the MC.

Thanks so much for this game! Can't wait for the rest of the routes.

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 Thank you for your kind feedback. I’m very happy you enjoyed Sofia’s route – the points you raised regarding their relationship and how they interact as a couple are things I was really trying to get across as I wrote the route, so it is always lovely to hear that I managed in that regard.

Many thanks for playing

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Hi, I came to the sequel page because I have another question (last one, I swear): would you consider putting the early access game on steam? In truth, i would love to accompany the game episodically but buying on itch would mean buying in dollars, which is significantly more expensive because of my country's currency, so I would like to know if you thought of that option. But, if that isn't possible, I will try to be patient for the full release or save money ~

Also, for the full release on steam, do you plan on putting achievements? It's something I missed on the first game :) again, love your game and thanks for your time

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Hello and thank you for your interest. I won't be putting the early access game on steam, I am afraid. Sorry, but it appears you will have to wait until the full release.

As for achievements, that is something I will look into closer to the time, but I am not opposed to it. I will have to see what interesting ones I can think of before I can commit to the idea though.

Many thanks for playing

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ahh im so excited for the full release!! i cant wait for Leopold's route lol. i've replayed the demo like a million times. thank you for all the work you're doing on this!! =)

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Ah, thank you - I am glad to hear you're excited. I hope Leo's route will be coming along soon - I am looking forward to writing it. ^_^

Many thanks for your interest.

Yay, i can't wait for a full game, or at least my fav route is released. Tried out the demo, any game that is allow me customize the MC personality is a plus.

Glad to hear you're excited - I hope you don't have too long to wait for your fav route ^_^

Many thanks for your interest

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So based on the current release schedule, there's no estimation for Leo's route yet or am I misunderstanding?

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No, there is no estimation for Leopold's route yet. After Guillaume's route is completed, I am going to allow the Kickstarter backers to vote on which route I work on next, so I won't know until the vote is held. Leopold is very popular though, so I would be surprised if he was not chosen, if not next, then at least soon.

Thank you for your interest

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Just to let you know, (and I will be making an 'official' post regarding this once the results are in at the end of the the month), but votes have been opened for backers on the next route, and Leo is currently in the lead by a comfortable margin. 

There is still time for things to change but, by the look of things at the moment, Leopold will be the next route worked on after Guillaume's is finished. ^_^

Thanks for the update! I'll keep an eye out!

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So...I was initially going to wait until this game is released on Steam before I buy it there but my anticipation got to me and I got the game myself (I will definately replay this game though in Steam because It's that good so far!).I have to say, this game is really in a league above Rose of Segunda, a game I already deeply love. The amount of work and quality the 2 route's writing alone has is simply amazing! And it really has me anticipating (and worried for my faves, heh) for the remaining routes when they are released.

Bastien's route was just as heavy and depressing as the demo made it. I am one of the people who had Bastien as one of my least favourite routes in TROS, but his route really made me pay more attention and appreciate his character so much more. It was painful to see him struggle throughout the route, depressing to know that his father not only regret's his existence but also blames him for his wife's death and that itself caused Bastien so much grief. But it makes his good end all the better especially when he decided to not let people talk him or his relationship with Iolanthe down.

Frankly I was almost guilty to even follow through with the other romance and even the platonic Frederic direction because of how much it hurt to hurt Basien when he was struggling so much but I did and I also enjoyed Pieto's character and the romance it went with it.

Sofia's route...It was something else, it felt more cutthroat and direr than Bastien's but I seriously deeply enjoyed it. The various plots with the nobles where interesting. Also the new characters like Lucette and more of st Rue. God I loved Lucette for what we saw of her.

The main conflict itself was very realistic, it's sad but Sofia's mother never having accepted her daughter as a lesbian because she wants her daughter to be 'normal' is still very common even at our times. I found it hard to have Iolanthe be 'understanding' since I also can understand why she'd be very upset being the one being sligted so badly but alas, I also could't be too angry with Sofia since it's her mother, cutting off family is never easy, especially if you care for them like Sofia does.

Also the whole issue with if you should keep things from Sofia or not. I intentionally hid everything from her first because I wanted the worst outcome over and done with and Oh boy, It was even more painful than Bastien's route because I knew it would come down crashing and it really did. When she was ranting about her father's past actions, how she hated his lying the most out of everything, I knew things where gonna go to hell later on. I felt so bad fo Iolanthe and Sofia.

Now Frederique, god I loved him. In both routes, he is at the very least your most closest confidant and the possible option of him being in a poly relationship with Iolanthe in Sofia's route was just amazing. The way you built up their relationship (if you choose it) was a nice touch, I simply loved it. 

Now for the mother herself. She is quite a character, she is very much a love to hate character to me. She is very interesting and ruthless in a way I can appreciate. But damn, I also heavily dislike her, it's no wonder why Iolanthe and Frederick barely cares for her when she is very blunt in just using them as tools. 

I will say, I am going to be so much more in pain when Frederique's, Leopond's and Charllotte's route (my top 3) are out because I know I will always wanna get the other ends first and the Good/Best end last so....the angst and complications will kill me. But I will enjoy it because you're writing is really great.

Overall, I'm anticipating for the rest and you're doing an amazing job so far!

EDIT: Also I want to add, Poor Francesca. She is truly a pitiful character, I did not end up liking her but I certainly felt more sympathy for her than the 1st game. She got duped in a crappy situation with people looking down on her. That must hurt..

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Hello and thank you for letting me know your thoughts. I'm very glad to hear you have enjoyed the game so far - especially considering you were planning to wait at first. ^_^

I hope you enjoy Charlotte, Leopold, and Frederique's routes just as much once they are released.

Many thanks for playing

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It seems it's often hard for sequels to capture the "spirit" of their originals, but when they do, it really adds to the whole thing. Not a thing was lost from TROS, only built upon. Don't know how you did it, but I can only thank you for figuring out what might as well be magic. I liked all those touches of worldbuilding too, and the MC is probably the best written one I've come across in games of this type.

Don't know if you'll ever go about a third game, making this a trilogy, or maybe some DLC, because that worldbuilding is interesting, and I can certainly imagine a lot of things with it, especially in regards to the endings.

For now, I'm good with imagining, and I'll be sure to check out the other routes when they're done.

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Ah, thank you for your kind feedback. I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the sequel as much as the first game. I know tonally they are quite different and I had a worry when when I was first writing Bastien's route that players would not like the change. 

Hmm, I would never say 'never' on a third game, but I am not sure what setting I could use since the endings to Thorns are a lot more detailed than the ones for TROS.

Many thanks for playing

Such a good game honestly...only two routes out so far, but I'm confident that each route you release will be awesome. I've loved Bastien's and Sofia's routes, even the bad ones...so beautiful. And the whole 'feel' of the game is very mature, honestly, which I like. It's like, a lot of sequels to Otome games shy away from the more mature aspects of a relationship and the struggles that come after you get together, but you didn't and I love that.

However, two things did bug me a little - one, it'd be really nice if in the save/load screen we could see what page we were on. Like maybe the number of the page we are on would be highlighted? Just a little UI thing that kinda bugged me. 

And two - there's that one background art scene near the statue of Saint Lucio (in both Sofia and Bastien's routes) where the crowd has a bit of clipping going on in the crowd where the grey overlay's edge shows up:

Again it's a little thing, and obviously, it's not a big deal just thought I'd point it out :)


SPOILERS in the rest of my comment, sorry it's so long I got excited ;)

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So, I finished all the content for Bastien and loved all the endings, even when they were heartbreaking. I was really surprised at the hidden love interest, I was not expecting it! But I loved him, even as I felt for Bastien and it killed me to see their relationship devolve. I thought it was a very mature way to handle romance and marriage, and the struggles of depression, which is rarely seen in  VN's. Honestly, a lot about this VN is not seen in other VN's lol, including the spicy awesome MC. I love how much her personality really changes the dialogue too, especially if the 'witty' characteristic is picked. Seriously some of her comebacks made me laugh out loud. That scene with her and Francesca where she's lamenting how sad she is to have lost to her in the bid for the prince in such an obviously over-the-top way had me in stitches lol! On a more serious note though, that talk with Bastien where he confesses how he's been feeling and all his struggles after his father's death...literally made me cry. I just connected so much with what he was saying and how he felt that I couldn't help myself. It was heartwrenching to do the other route's and not support him during that conversation...omg like it really killed me, which is a compliment to your writing skills lol.

As for Sofia's route, I thought all of the endings were interesting in their own way, though of course, my favorite is Home Sweet Home with a side of Frederick. Personally, I feel the route where you win and stay with Sofia and add Frederick into your relationship should be its own ending rather than grouped into Home Sweet Home, but I guess I can see why it's a bit more 'hidden.' Again, the themes of the romance were so mature and well handled, even Sofia's relationship with her family and her mother's sudden denial of her and the MC's relationship. Like people can say you should instantly cut off your family if they don't accept your preferences, but in real life that's not as easy to do as it would sound, and I feel like Sofia's attitude and her reluctance to confront her mother on it all was very realistic in that aspect, even as it made me sad lol. 

It was super hard to do the Full Circle route ending though...I had the MC lie to Sofia and they break up in the end because the MC can't give up her brother,  and it was super devastating. But I liked how you still remain on good terms with her in the end if you win. I thought that was handled super maturely because yes people break up in real life and it doesn't mean they have to hate each other for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it's slightly less happy if you lose, but I couldn't bring myself to do that, the pain of breaking up with Sofia was already too much lol. 

Really love the game, and I'm super looking forward to the next route and the extra reward scenes! Guillaume's route in the last game was actually one of my least favorite one's, but I think, considering the circumstances of this game, that I'll really find his route interesting this time around for the sheer fact that you'll be a princess in the middle of all the political shenanigans. To be honest I found his relationship with Francesca in Sofia/Bastien's route very interesting too, especially how you didn't necessarily make either of them the 'villain.' Francesca being so pitiable was a real surprise to me, but I liked how you humanized her a lot, especially in Sofia's route.

Also, Lt. Rue!! Break out character. Her flirting and character design and just everything...I love her. I was a bit disappointed that she's not a possible love interest, to be honest, but I'm sure I'll love Ambassador Brovik's route when it comes out :3

Great job so far! *claps into infinity*

Hello and thank you for your kind feedback. I'm very glad you've found the game enjoyable so far and I'll look into the two things you mentioned regarding the graphics for the next build.

Many thanks for playing

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The quality of the intrigue and wittyness of the main caracter were fantastic, I expected no less !

I was quite impressed by the length and complexity from my first run off Sofia's story. It sure wasn't as romantic as the Rose of Segunda, but the tension and hurdles felt very realistic and at the same time, sweet.

Mother di Parisi was quite the presence. Reminded me of Olenna Tyrell from Game of Throne ^^'

I didn't remember having "super intense" feeling from it (no intense crying), but the whole thing felt so vivid I had trouble to pause even for eating/sleeping !

I'm eager to see more and actually, I still have a lot of "variant world" to try. Thanks for putting so much work into this <3


EDIT : and a polyamourous ending too. Sweet !

EDIT2 : my replays took more time than my first run. 2 almost full day of playing, my eyes hurts !

EDIT3 : ...So much betrayal options. It's hard. It's so hard every time.

...And they actually have effects. I wonder tho. Is there is of one case in Sofia's route where a letter in the trunk can make her come back ? I found the "violent letter" extra vivid and I really though it'd work (I get the paradox, but guess "showing my wounds" was way more humain than "I'm sorry" or "I understand your grief")

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Thank you for the feedback. I'm glad you've enjoyed Sofia's route after you were waiting so patiently for so long. 

To answer your question, no, there is no instance once you get to the 'letter in the trunk' stage that she will come back. She has been too hurt by your previous behaviour. 

There is a way to have her arrive to speak to you instead of sending a letter (you may have already seen it), but once you are at the letter stage, the letter you send (or not) will only influence your reaction at the embassy and the good ending.

Many thanks for playing

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I didn't think it was possible, but I liked Thorns of War even more than The Rose of Segunda (and that one was already one of my all-time fav VNs <3)

The political intrigue and the scheming was great and I really appreciated having so much choice in my character's decisions. I just finished Sophia's route and I was so on edge the whole time, but I managed to get the good ending on my first try ^o^

Looking forward to Charlotte's route someday in the future! Just out of curiosity, will there be other yuri routes besides Sophia and Charlotte? I have no idea how much interest there is for the GxG routes in general but I would be totally down for more :p

 Thank you for your kind feedback. I’m very happy to hear you are enjoying the game (and that you enjoyed TROS, too)

And, yes, there is one more yuri route in addition to Charlotte’s. I've included a picture of her below since I don't think she appears in any of the screenshots on the game page or in Sofia's route (she had a small part in Bastien's)

                

Vesela Brovik is an Alvardian ambassador at the embassy. She appears in many of the routes and will be a romance option in the ‘Single’ route (the route where you ended TROS without a romance). 

So I hope you can look forward to her route as well as Charlotte's. ^_^

Many thanks for playing

Great new ! I'm looking forward to it too !

Omg that sounds amazing, looking forward to it ^o^

this comment has made my hype return

I have to say I'm looking forward whenever Guillaume’s route is released. It's one of the routes that has a lot of diverting paths considering there are 3 ways Iolanthe be with him (arrangement, throne only or romance). So i'm definitely curious to the impressions of his route in the future.

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I'm glad to hear that. Due to all the options, I think there is too much content for just one route, so I'm actually going to split Guillaume's route into two separate routes. 

One (the one I am working on now) is where you are either in love or pretending to be in love just for the throne. The other will be the 'loveless marriage' route where you both just did as you were told and married. They both start in very difference places and I see them progressing very different ways, so treating them as two separate routes means I can give each more attention. ^_^  

Oh, that's interesting! And it makes does sense, the dynamic between both of them would really be vastly different depending on how they got married. It even shows on the demo. I'm anticipating it!

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I just finished Sophia's route! Ahhhhhhh!!!!! I did not expect that ADDITION, but I was so glad for it! 

SPOILERS AHEAD. 

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Frederique!!! When I started the route, I had a feeling something was going on... I didn't know what would happen exactly, if we had to choose between them or what, but I was EXCITED. Dear author, you really spoil us too much! Adding so many variations! Same with Bastien's, we get 2 routes for 1. Thank you so much for that. Your hard work is very appreciated! I love Frederique with a passion, my second favorite RO after Leopold, so this surprise was the best thing I could hope for. Problem is, after I got this PERFECT ending: 


I don't want to unlock the others! (I will, eventually) But this ending was PERFECTION. I wasn't sure how I would feel about Frederique and Sophia falling in love too, but they didn't, so it was really everything I hoped for. Kind of a harem route, ohoho~ (Also, what a beautiful CG)

I must say this, however: it makes me sad that MC's ROs don't stand up for her until the end. It happened with Bastien too. I hope some of the others will defend her from the beginning. It was painful watching MC berated and pushed aside and her ROs pretending nothing is going on. She deserves to be protected, too ;_;

Funny thing that happened: my MC is called Yvette. 

Also, iconic line:

I know. Rumours are abound. After all, a lady unmarried this long must have so intractable flaw.
I do. I have my own mind.

Yes, you do Yvette, yes you do. 

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 Many thanks for your kind feedback. I’m very glad to hear you enjoyed the route – especially certain elements of it.

With the unique dynamic presented in this route, I wanted to explore the different ways it could go for those players who were interested (while also ensuring it was sufficiently gated, so did not impact on the experiences of players who did not want to explore that kind of thing).

Ah, and what a coincidence that your MC is called Yvette, as well. It is always a concern of mine when I choose names for NPCs, but I hope, when it happens, it does not distract from the story too much.

Many thanks for playing

Question many Love interests will this story will have? Plus will there be any secret romances as well?

 

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It will have romance routes for all characters in the first game plus in the 'single' route (the route you beginning without a love interest) there is the option to romance Vesela Brovik or Mathys Aurele (or, again, no one). There is already a secret romance who appears in Bastien's route, whom I won't name here for fear of ruining any surprise. So, adding all that up, there are nine love interests over the eight routes.

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I just got this game and played through it immediately. It's really impressive how much work has clearly been put into it! I'm looking forward to the next routes :)



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Poor Bastien was my least favorite RO from the first game, so unfortunately I neglected him in favor of the new characters. I was so SHOOK when MC ended up with Pieto, but like in a good way! Seriously, I loved how he would stand up for everyone, but I was still hurt when Bastien wanted a divorce lol. Which is perfectly reasonable when the MC is cheating on him(although I'm not sure if he actually knew? It would be easy to tell but Bastien doesn't spend much time with MC if she avoids him.) 

Since I went for the Frederique and Pieto scenes first, I was really surprised at how romantic and how much less drama my playthrough had if I prioritized Bastien and I ended up admiring that he decided that he needed to grasp his own happiness and stand up more for himself. There was that one comeback that was just... incredible! Like wow, did that boy just say that? I swear my respect level for Bastien grow ten times larger at that.

I ended up getting all the endings except for the  3rd ending. Any hints at how to get it? Spend more time with someone/side with this person?

Thank you and good luck on the rest of the game!

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Hello and thank you for the feedback. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the route even without much liking Bastien.

Hmm, the only circumstances where Bastien should ask for a divorce are if in the scenes when you two are together, you fight a lot (otherwise he can be quite blindsided by the request if you guys have been getting along).

As for the third ending, you need to be in the Pieto romance but not do as well with the missions. Try failing one and succeeding at one - this should give you the 'not best but not worst' ending for Pieto. If you have ending 2 then I am guessing you already did this for Bastien's romance, so it will be the same kind of thing that is needed. 

If you would like more guidance on this or have any problems, please message me at support@blackcross-taylor.com and I can go into more detail there.

Many thanks for playing

Heya so the next update is only in may right? 

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The next update is on 14th February with Sofia's route. Then I hope to have Guillaume's route finished for May, but that is much more tentative at this stage.

so..uh, clearly I missed kickstarter thing, is there a way to get access to "Backer extra rewards scenes" in the future?(´;ω;`)

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That depends on what you are after. 

The backer extra reward scenes were a reward for those people who wanted input into their own scene, that will then be in the game and playable by anyone who purchases a copy. I wanted as many of the kickstarter rewards as possible to enrich/expand the game for all players (extra characters / extra costumes / extra scenes etc)

So if you are wanting your own scene in the game, I probably can't oblige you now the Kickstarter is over, but if you just want to play the scenes that have already been backed, then you are in luck, as they will already be part of the game for everyone to see. ^_^

I hope this explains things and many thanks for your interest.

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Great! I just don't want to miss out on any game content, thanks for the explanation!XD

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